The podcast is back with fresh new content. In this episode Chad Boeckmann talks cybersecurity value, business engagement and contemplating risk versus measuring risk with Malcolm Harkins. The security team of course must align to the business but just as important the business must align with security. So how do we accomplish this? What approach is best practice? Do you need to quantify all the risk? How do I design my control environment to meet all the demands of the business while reducing assessment and compliance fatigue? All these questions and more are answered in our discussion.